Comments on: HW vs. LHW http://www.shieldsup.ch/2009/02/04/hw-vs-lhw/ Resto Shamans, Black Holes, Backstabbing and maybe Ponies Tue, 09 Mar 2010 03:23:38 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Bellus http://www.shieldsup.ch/2009/02/04/hw-vs-lhw/comment-page-1/#comment-3271 Bellus Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:43:55 +0000 http://www.shieldsup.ch/?p=660#comment-3271 There is another thing to consider imo. When using HW with its longer casttime you have to preheal more to avoid deaths... this works nicely on tanks but harder for random raiddamage. Either way this will result in more overhealing. When using LHW you can heal more reactive in the raid, not so much for the tank but either way your lands will land faster and less overhealing will be the result. Perhaps your HPS is lower but effective healing is likely higher. (if reactions and framerate is on par aswell ofcourse ;) ) There is another thing to consider imo. When using HW with its longer casttime you have to preheal more to avoid deaths… this works nicely on tanks but harder for random raiddamage.
Either way this will result in more overhealing.

When using LHW you can heal more reactive in the raid, not so much for the tank but either way your lands will land faster and less overhealing will be the result.
Perhaps your HPS is lower but effective healing is likely higher. (if reactions and framerate is on par aswell ofcourse ;) )

]]> By: Daneel http://www.shieldsup.ch/2009/02/04/hw-vs-lhw/comment-page-1/#comment-242 Daneel Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:33:38 +0000 http://www.shieldsup.ch/?p=660#comment-242 Firstly, really glad to finally find a resto shammy blog thats active...been searching for years for one! Secondly, yeah glad to see someone do the math on this one. Having specced out of Healing way with Wrath, I've now gotten used to spamming LHW with Riptide and Chain heal thrown in depending on the fight. As others above have noted, I only use HW on healing one of the OT's in 25 man Patchwerk, or sometimes on the NPC's on the Razuvious fight. Even if repsec my kit'/gems to move away from crit towards haste, I'm still unsure if HW/RP/TW can still really cut it in terms of keeping people up and not going oom quickly. Will be interested to see how you do testing it out on different fights. Firstly, really glad to finally find a resto shammy blog thats active…been searching for years for one!

Secondly, yeah glad to see someone do the math on this one. Having specced out of Healing way with Wrath, I’ve now gotten used to spamming LHW with Riptide and Chain heal thrown in depending on the fight. As others above have noted, I only use HW on healing one of the OT’s in 25 man Patchwerk, or sometimes on the NPC’s on the Razuvious fight. Even if repsec my kit’/gems to move away from crit towards haste, I’m still unsure if HW/RP/TW can still really cut it in terms of keeping people up and not going oom quickly. Will be interested to see how you do testing it out on different fights.

]]> By: drug http://www.shieldsup.ch/2009/02/04/hw-vs-lhw/comment-page-1/#comment-229 drug Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:37:30 +0000 http://www.shieldsup.ch/?p=660#comment-229 I guess we'll know much more when 3.1 goes live. a) we'll have real raid encounters then and b) I think blizzard will tune mana regen with this patch. I'm a little bit disappointed 'bout the information blizzard gave until now: we know how spirit regen is going to change, we know a lot about paladin changes with mana regen but shamans are once again not included in the discussion, I'll hope blizzard is going to tell us what's on their mind. My problem with HW at this point is that without TW this spell is just so slow, especially because I'm wearing a lot of crit gear and not a lot haste gear for single target healing. And if I cast HW TW hastened, I burn through my mana too fast. Today I was healing the Tenebron/Shadron/Vesperon tank together with another resto shaman and I was just much more comfortable with LHW for quick bursty healing. And often I was very close to going oom. I guess we’ll know much more when 3.1 goes live. a) we’ll have real raid encounters then and b) I think blizzard will tune mana regen with this patch.

I’m a little bit disappointed ’bout the information blizzard gave until now: we know how spirit regen is going to change, we know a lot about paladin changes with mana regen but shamans are once again not included in the discussion, I’ll hope blizzard is going to tell us what’s on their mind.

My problem with HW at this point is that without TW this spell is just so slow, especially because I’m wearing a lot of crit gear and not a lot haste gear for single target healing. And if I cast HW TW hastened, I burn through my mana too fast. Today I was healing the Tenebron/Shadron/Vesperon tank together with another resto shaman and I was just much more comfortable with LHW for quick bursty healing. And often I was very close to going oom.

]]> By: SmashBangPop http://www.shieldsup.ch/2009/02/04/hw-vs-lhw/comment-page-1/#comment-228 SmashBangPop Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:20:42 +0000 http://www.shieldsup.ch/?p=660#comment-228 Poor taste to put an ad in someone else’s blog, especially since it is so off topic. I just can’t bring myself to use HW besides on 25man Patchwerk. We have 2 healers per tank on that fight, two hateful tanks and a main tank. Thinking about the mechanics of healing and the way Shaman MP5 is designed, it makes sense for us to be using HW, and avoiding the GCD as you already mentioned. atm I have about 435 MP5 while casting unbuffed, not including totem. This is usually much higher than any other class, eg druid, priest. Those classes have a much higher MP5 while not casting. So I believe we were designed to be continuously casting. Poor taste to put an ad in someone else’s blog, especially since it is so off topic.

I just can’t bring myself to use HW besides on 25man Patchwerk. We have 2 healers per tank on that fight, two hateful tanks and a main tank.

Thinking about the mechanics of healing and the way Shaman MP5 is designed, it makes sense for us to be using HW, and avoiding the GCD as you already mentioned. atm I have about 435 MP5 while casting unbuffed, not including totem. This is usually much higher than any other class, eg druid, priest. Those classes have a much higher MP5 while not casting. So I believe we were designed to be continuously casting.

]]> By: Phhreak http://www.shieldsup.ch/2009/02/04/hw-vs-lhw/comment-page-1/#comment-226 Phhreak Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:11:20 +0000 http://www.shieldsup.ch/?p=660#comment-226 Very good info! www.shamanscore.blogspot.com Very good info!

http://www.shamanscore.blogspot.com

]]> By: Spectrum http://www.shieldsup.ch/2009/02/04/hw-vs-lhw/comment-page-1/#comment-218 Spectrum Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:42:29 +0000 http://www.shieldsup.ch/?p=660#comment-218 Ah, glad someone finally got around to doing the math. I've been putting it off. The bonus from Healing Way really does look good with the single-application. Perhaps for healing tonight I'll swap that Healing Wave glyph in to heal myself during heavy AE fights (like Sapphiron). Ah, glad someone finally got around to doing the math. I’ve been putting it off. The bonus from Healing Way really does look good with the single-application.

Perhaps for healing tonight I’ll swap that Healing Wave glyph in to heal myself during heavy AE fights (like Sapphiron).

]]> By: Phox http://www.shieldsup.ch/2009/02/04/hw-vs-lhw/comment-page-1/#comment-217 Phox Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:35:28 +0000 http://www.shieldsup.ch/?p=660#comment-217 I am signd to raidhealing, So the most part there is Chain healing spam whit raptide and some LHW when i check my performance in WWS. Do have same HW in there to but its almost 50-60% overheal on those. The other healers dont wait untill the health drops down so i can use HW. If found it good to use riptide,HW,HW when the tanks drop down to fast I am signd to raidhealing, So the most part there is Chain healing spam whit raptide and some LHW when i check my performance in WWS. Do have same HW in there to but its almost 50-60% overheal on those. The other healers dont wait untill the health drops down so i can use HW. If found it good to use riptide,HW,HW when the tanks drop down to fast

]]> By: Aurik http://www.shieldsup.ch/2009/02/04/hw-vs-lhw/comment-page-1/#comment-200 Aurik Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:35:52 +0000 http://www.shieldsup.ch/?p=660#comment-200 I'd pretty much come to these same conclusions after some testing and footering about with gear on my own and have taken to using Healing Wave in some situations. I feel that the 'problem' many might have with Healing Wave is that it requires you to be somewhat more predictive of damage than Lesser Healing Wave as you can't expect to heal post-damage and not overheal 99% Much the same is true of effective chain healing, though, I guess. I have to admit, I enjoy the extra complexity it gives us and am now glad I picked up the totem of misery 'just in case'. Also, to be fair, there is a totem available for LHW - it's just not a new one - but if you're going to spam LHW then you might as well grab the Totem of the Plains and use it if you can't get that arena rating :) /hug I’d pretty much come to these same conclusions after some testing and footering about with gear on my own and have taken to using Healing Wave in some situations. I feel that the ‘problem’ many might have with Healing Wave is that it requires you to be somewhat more predictive of damage than Lesser Healing Wave as you can’t expect to heal post-damage and not overheal 99% Much the same is true of effective chain healing, though, I guess.

I have to admit, I enjoy the extra complexity it gives us and am now glad I picked up the totem of misery ‘just in case’.

Also, to be fair, there is a totem available for LHW – it’s just not a new one – but if you’re going to spam LHW then you might as well grab the Totem of the Plains and use it if you can’t get that arena rating :)

/hug

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